So I Copied my priest from Horde to Alliance, and bought the noob blue set, but what should i spec for just pvp?

I initially copied it cos i wanted a PVP healer really, so i bought the Bloodthirsty Gladiators Set from AH for about 2-3k all up, and did one spec as Disc and the other as Shadow.

Bear in mind that im in fully noob blue PVP set, this is how it went. Disc, eh it was ok, did a WSG. Did a little bit of healing (no idea how to heal now in cata) im guessing POM, renew and then the old skool Heal that no one used to use, but now they actually made it usefull.. Man how long does three seconds in PVP go for! like 1 minute it seems, anyway long cast time! IDK its probably just the gear and that i suck, but it didnt really do it for me.

Then i gave the new shadow a shot, I was critting for 27k right off the bat. only just started to crit those numbers on the mage (also noobed gear) but hey. IDK shadow seems pretty dam strong at the moment.

Its pretty hard to find decent content for 85 cata at the moment i did manage to find a pretty good 85 Disc Priest PvP Cataclysm Discipline Priest vid, check it out Might give you some inspiration..

Theres quite a bit of QQ going on in the forums such as this (could be just trolling but idk, didnt post on their main so prob just troll…)

As the titel says, currently priests are the worst healer class in the game, we’re worse at just about everything:

Mana efficiency
Healing done
Survivability
Damage (yeah, that too.)
Better CDs. Disc is left with PS and barrier, PS is susceptible to dispels, and barrier is just a terrible pvp ability all together. It’s like a mini PS that you HAVE to stay in. Good design.

Ill give examples for all of em’:
Mana efficiency: Our mana CDs are pretty much @%%!, and heals costs so much (5.7k for a flash heal, which heals 12k, i got 111k HP and a warrior whiteswing me 13k crits, and 25k “Spell” crits, if i get stunlocked and down to 25% health it will take me 7 heals or so to get it back up 7*5700= 39k mana that half my mana pool just to catch up from a stunlock) Shadowfiend gives next to no mana, befor the nerf it didnt give much mana back anyway since it gets more controled than i do. Hymn of Hope is a long cast and ur teammates will prolly die during it. Archangle, i didnt even put points into it if i start casting smite i’ll just die during it.

Survivablility+Healing done:
As i explained a warrior whiteswing crits me for about same as a flash heal heals me for, if he then starts pressing his buttons they can just spam unhealable damage into me and i cant do anything about it.

Damage: Cant do any damage since ill just die during it

Cooldowns: Priest have 3 defensive CDs to keep themself up: PS, PI and PWB, PWB is a 30% dmg reduce with a 3 min CD. lolwut? paladins have a 20% dmg reduce 40SEC Cd.
PI, well u can spam heals fast true, but not for long since you will go oom.
PS, very strong CD but on a very long CD AND ITS DISPELABLE which is also a big problem. (Yes it was dispelable befor, 5% chance but its nothing compres to the current chance)
Also priest have NO mobility CDs, shamans have ghostwolf, druids have shapeshift (I know they arn’t CDs <.<) and Paladins have freedom to get away what do priest have? NOTHING!
Alot of people says Resil will fix it! but really it wont.

Another problem for exspecially disc, is that they lost their unique thing, bubbles and dispels, when blizzard decided that every healer should get dispel magic, they just gave it to everyone and didnt think that discs, lost one of their unique things, and gave us nothing in return, other than nerfing bubbles to being worthless, and letting whiteswings take em away.

High rated priests have gone so far to say that Shadow RMP is far better than any disc/Holy RMP. i mean comon! that just shows that something clearly is wrong!

Priests REROLL WHILE XPAC IS STILL NEW

One last thing:
I know my english isnt great nor is this thread prolly. But!
Please BUMP this thread to make blizz even more aware that there is a problem !

The Response: Xhoi (85 Blood Elf Priest)
Post on your priest so we can take this post seriously. This is just excessive and useless QQ.

Flash heal crits for far more than 12k.

Better cooldowns? That’s basically what you bring a priest for.

Survivability. Desperate Prayer, penance, CoH, shield, healthstone, pots?

Mana efficiency? We are one of the best classes at perserving (spelling?) our mana after our hotfix. (Note. Even though our talent tree isn’t updated, the stats for the pvp talents and regen talents are) I’m currently sitting just above 4k mana in combat.

However we are a lot more gear dependant than the other classes. Just gear up and you will out heal every single one of them. Sure, some of our single target spells seems rather weak.

But they are not worse than shaman/druids and same mana. Sure, paladins have better single target spells.. but that’s the point.

Edit: What problem btw?

And another response, more PVE related: Fatherdoc (85 Troll Priest)
I dont normally bother with these forums, but I loved playing my priest, I enjoy healing both in PVP and Raids. However i have been doing 5 mans over the past couple of days, I started on Holy, and found although the flash heal was ok I was running out of mana after each fight, CoH was completely useless it healed players for something like 7k each. well when everyone has just been hit for 25k that doesn’t really do much as it costs so much mana and then has a 10 sec cooldown, so I hit PoH and its the same, I just burn mana, and during this i’m still having to keep the tank up.
Now i did find that HEAL was low cost on mana but for a reason, it was low healing about 8k normal and 10-11k crit (all approx), but it takes nearly 3 secs to cast unless you talent spec it down to about 2.3 secs. still too much time casting. i’m having big trouble with holy!

I tried Disc and mana isnt quite as bad a problem, but still an issue, the shield are generally useless, most wiped out in one hit, and it costs me about 3.5k mana to cast PW Shield, to cut it short…….
I’m finding priests to be to slow, use far too much mana, and generally the heals particulary the AoE heals suck.

I’m not the best out there, but I USED to enjoy healing with a priest and now I don’t, I just hope Blizz can resolve it, should’nt be too hard.

This response seems more apt: @Xhoi what you just said about priest CD made me lol …

now regarding priest situation:
Healing priests (disc and holy), are doing fine in PvE… mana isnt issues when u get every item with spirit. Also healing output is rly comparable with rest of the healers, maybe disc could do 5% more but still is very good in raids for the cds it provides.
Shadow priests need a little buff in pve, their dmg is pretty low.

in PvP generally priest healers suck and get focused first, i can see it in bgs … everyone is like Oh priest let’s *%!! him. Also my old arena mate said priest dies in 1 min max … either he runs out of cds or runs oom… and it’s true. Holy is very nice, with the disorient etc, but rly you cant keep up with other healers…
Shadow in pvp can do rly good, just S&P needs to get fixed… it’s dr and effect.
And ye OLD RPM is gone, I just saw yday rogue and mage lf pala/druid/shaman for 3v3… something rly needs to get fixed or most ppl are gonna reroll – like me, i got a warrior on the way … leveling …

My few cents

Check out the full thread here, has a few good points.

I just found another good, kinda QQ thread : Why priest dislikes cata changes, disc pvp

Check it out:

Whiskys
85 Draenei Priest
The Mushroom Kingdom
3630 Edited by Whiskys on 1/14/11 4:11 AM (UTC)
I think discipline priest mechanics looks amazing on paper and they truly are, however on practice it is very hard to use them and most players only use what gives them an advantage over other classes, which renders those new mechanics that looks amazing on paper useless and not worth using.

Here is a down to the ground view on how priests use mechanics in competitive arenas/duel on P.T.R at the moment:
This is what a good disc priest spec is on P.T.R at the moment, below explains why:

http://www.wowhead.com/talent#bfhcMosbforoMur

Arcangel/atonement and glyph of smite/Glyph of divine accuracy
I love arcangel, I like how it increase our healing and our smite damage with the very glowy and amazing graphics when you use it.

The thing is good priests knows that using smite exposes your holy school to be interupted, this making you unable to cast any benificial spells to you and your allies. In a world where mana is rare and healing is weak versus the huge health bars, it truly matter. This is why most priests resort to use mind spike instead, it cost less mana, the cast time is faster and it deals damage just about the same than smite and doesn’t expose your holy school. I think it’s a lot of smart concepts put forth as why you should not use smite.

Arcangel mana return is also not enough to justify risking yourself getting locket out of your school or not healing your teamates, this brings me to the next point;

Atonement healing is a smart idea and I truly love it, I can see why blizzard dev. team created atonement since wile smiting you loose time for healing and atonement was a way to account for that. The sad thing is that it is not reliable for all the above reasons about smite.

Glyph does make smite hit harder, but holy fire doesn’t give you any arcangel stacks and glyph of divine accuracy doesn’t increase your chance to hit with holy fire.

In a nutshell
- Smiting in arenas is very tedious and dangerous to get your healing school locket
- Arcangel stacks are too hard to get for the same reason
- Arcangel mana returns is subpar for the amount of risk we have to out
- Smiting dps is not as good as mind spike, priests use mind spike instead
- Smiting is not mana efficient
- Loosing time healing to go offensive is useless in regards of mana efficiency and heal throughput we have

P.T.R changes
Honestly the Strengh of soul buff was a bit too much and I like the fact that they have (or might) move it to inner will, I love this talent and use it a lot in PvP now in cataclysm. However I would still keep a 4 seconds immune to dispels as you put sheild on, because in all honesty even with dispells getting nerfed it still gets instantly dispelled since people is now aware that it absorbs so much.

Focused will stacking to 40% with crits and 10%+ hits is awesome, we needed that much.

Prayed of mending giving 60% more health is nice, but I’m not sure it is being enough.

Desperate prayer change was so NEEDED!

Power word barrier is amazing in raids, however in arenas it’s not mobile and if you want to use it you have to stay rooted in one place not to loose your cooldown…

Still waiting on smite/penance throughtput/damage increased… like if Surge of light could also let you use smite instantly would be great + other changes.

a lot of ppl seem to disagree though:
Venaliter
85 Goblin Priest

You are clueless.

Priests aren’t anywhere near viable even post patch in PvP. We simply can’t get a cast off or get something off us.

We have a fear, which they are apparently trying to make better, but it’s still too easy to break.

We have a couple instants which are easy to dispel or just don’t heal for enough and can be ignored.

Any melee can sit on us till we die, and there’s almost nothing we can do.

We’re *#%%ed.

and then the reply, i know you can check it out on the orig thread linked under this

I think YOU are clueless since you never broke 1,500 in arenas and you don’t know what happens in higher end arenas,

Disc priest crave offensive abilities and a way to peel right now, we don’t want interupt immunes and everything being focused on one ability which is PW:S.

Priests lost their trademark of being offensive and this is what made them wanted in arenas, go on arena junkies and you’ll see every glad saying the same.

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Ok so it cant be a guide beyond Cataclysm, but hey it has a good ring to it… What the opposite of beyond, (checks google) Hmm, well that was no help, and unrelated to this post anyway. So I have been leveling my new mage just lately, and going through all of the changed content and locating all of the new quest hubs etc, and i have to say its pretty cool what blizzard have done to the wow leveling flow in cataclysm. It all flows together nicely and there are a lot more connecting quest chains and they break it up with a few different and fun quests here and there, but if you just feel like grinding through the level you can do that as well. I have just hit 73 on my dranei mage and it has started to get a lot slower, 60 – 70 was a breeze and before that was amazingly quick compared to how long it used to take! Even battle grounds are ok to go in every now and again being alience i tend to win more than on the horde side overall, and wins can get you about 25% of a level in the 30′s and 40′s. not so much in the higher levels, but you can still get about 100k exp from winning an av and thats only about 20-30 minutes of game time, so its pretty comparable.

Now i have posted the following leveling flow diagram before but its so good ill post it again here:

originally posted here…

I was looking for a bit of extra advice on power leveling as well, not the bad powerleveling that you pay for but the stuff that just helps you with general leveling in wow, dont get distracted, and concentrate, try not to get bored i was leveling the other night and watching a movie, that definately slowed down my leveling process probably due to not being able to concentrate on more than one thing at a time, might be a male thing.

Anyway here is a few tips on powerleveling that i found:

Five golden rules of powerleveling

Minimize Downtime

Downtime is whenever you are not killing mobs or completing quests. Examples for downtime include regenerating mana or hitpoints, traveling, chatting, attacking other players, reading or dieing.
For obvious reasons downtime directly hinders your goal of leveling as fast as possible. Keeping these activities to a bare minimum is the most important aspect of power leveling.

Maximizing Burst Damage

The second most important thing when powerleveling is how fast you can kill mobs. Both single mobs and groups of mobs. Burst damage is greatly impacted by your spec (think protection versus fury), your gear level and your playstyle. And to a lesser extent by consumables, buffs and reforging/stat choices.

Play alone

To clarify right away: I do not have any math showing how grinding instances with a fleshed out 5 man group compares to leveling by questing. But if 70 – 80 is any judge, leveling by questing will be at least as fast but without the drawbacks of leveling in a group. You set the pace, you decide when to take breaks, you rely on your preparation and expertise instead of the preparation and expertise of other people. The method of power leveling purely in instances is not the focus of this text. Much rather the focus is on leveling by questing and grinding.
Questing in a group of multiple people always has drawbacks that can never outweigh the benefits. While „killing-quests“ are typically (slightly) faster in a group, a lot of drop-specific quests are much slower in groups and you will find yourselves waiting for mob respawns a lot. Not the mention the downtime is increased significantly for a group with multiple players.

Always know your next steps

Use a guide; preferably with an addon that goes hand-in-hand with the guide.
If possible use a second screen to always display the guide so you can read while you travel or grind. Always read at least the next paragraph in the guide so you know what you will be doing after the current task. This is to make sure you don’t travel unnecessarily or separate tasks that should be persued together.

Stay awake

Only read this paragraph if you consider leveling to 85 hardcore.
My personal, most important advice: Do not drink alcohol when trying to stay awake and focused for a long period of time. Alcohol will get you very, very tired very fast.
Most people (including me) will find listening to music while leveling stimulating and keeping you going.
Caffeine is your friend, but you need to use it the right way:
Caffeine works by changing the chemistry of the brain. It blocks the action of a natural brain chemical (adenosine) that is associated with sleep. Adenosine is produced by your daily activity, especially by physical exercise.
To a nerve cell, caffeine looks like adenosine. Caffeine, therefore, binds to the adenosine receptors. However, it doesn’t slow down the cell’s activity as adenosine would. The cells cannot sense adenosine anymore because caffeine is taking up all the receptors adenosine binds to. So instead of slowing down because of the adenosine level, the cells speed up. The „problem“ is, that adeonosine keeps building up while caffeine is blocking the adenosine receptors. So as soon as the caffeine loses its effect, you have a lot of adenosine around that will rapidly occupy all the receptors. This happens very fast and you will turn from being totally focused to dead tired in a matter of minutes. Drinking a coffee or an energy drink will flood the brain with caffeine for a short amount of time. It usualy takes 15-30 minutes to feel the effect, which then peaks around 30-60 minutes after consumption.
So once your body decides that you are tired, you would have to drink a coffee around every 2 hours at least to stay focused and you would still feel a lot of „ups“ and „downs“ when the caffeine peaks and declines.
A much better way is to rely on a continuous, controlled flow of caffeine that never peaks or declines but keeps a steady level to prevent you from becoming too tired. You might know the substance that provides just this effect under the name of „Guarana“. Guarana capsules usually work over several hours (typically 5-6), emitting a steady flow of caffeine (the exact same thing that you get when drinking coffee). Designed to keep you awake when feeling tired as opposed to coffee, which is good to „remove“ tiredness when you are rested; which is why coffee is consumed to wake up.
Enough of the medical lessons. You can get guarana capsules prescription free (in most countries?) at your local apothecary. I suggest you learn some more about the effects of guarana or ask your pharmacist about them before trying them out. Just to clarify again: Guarana is NOT a drug. It is identical to the caffeine chemical derived from other sources, such as coffee and it is classifed as GRAS in the United States.

Note: This rule is for crazy gamers! For you health, I suggest that Life first, Game Second! lol!

Take care of yourself

Don’t carry leveling to excess.
Make sure you always feel comfortable or immediately stop playing!

Here a few tipps:

• Always have water or tea on your desk (or any neutral beverage) and don’t forget to drink enough.
• Eat two or three times a day. You will notice you won’t be as hungry as usual simply because your body is burning much less calories. It’s only a couple days, so go all out on pizza, lasagna and what else makes you happy (and can be eaten at your computer ). I would say try to eat some fruits/vegetables too etc, but yeah, **** that.
• Again, no alcohol or drugs apart vom caffeine.
• Care about hygiene. It is much more comfortable to play after a shower.
• Make sure your Monitor is at least 50cm away from your eyes. If your eyes start to hurt, take a break or stop power leveling.
• Maybe stick around in your Teamspeak to keep some company and to motivate eachother. But it can be distracting, especially if people keep asking stuipid questions about where to find quest objectives.
• Turn off your mobile phone and lock the door if you have a toilet & fridge in your room. For a second you thought I was serious here, right? Powerleveling is nice and fun, but don’t do it at the cost of the people around you.

Now just on a small side note about leveling mages, i was arcane for ages while leveling in the low levels and that was doing pretty well for me. I switched out to frost spec at about 40 or so and have been leveling as frost all the way to 73, after reading a bit a lot of people are going fire now for leveling, i might give that a try and see how it goes.

Frost is quite easy though for leveling, Just do a Frost Fire, then ice bolt x2, and ice lance and finish with a fire blast if its still going. Then when you get the freeze spell (cant remember exactly what level thats at) has a 30 sec cd, and then u just freeze the mob and hit them with 3 ice lance crits, gonski! Anyway ill check out a fire pve build and see how that goes, leveling as ice gets a bit same old after about 30-40 levels anyway

I found a pole on mmo champ and the results about leveling mages were, Arcane (9%), Fire (71%), Ice (20%). So it seems fire is the way to level.

My mage has some rather horrid gear for a level 80. I logged onto the PTR last night to mess around with fire, and much to my surprise I pulled 5400 DPS in a fight against one of the new encounters for the pre-Cata event. This was done knowing very little about a fire rotation (Hey, I’ve been Arcane!), and without my normal bindings.

My thoughts on it? Scorch is insane. Quick little spell that you can cast while moving with talents, doing 5K a shot. Oh, and it’s free and freaking FAST. All I did was spam the hell out of it and fire of Pyroblast when it procced. I loved it. Considering the last time I used Fire on my mage (August of 2007), I will definitely have this as one of my specs. It’s just so much fun.

________ __ _

Everyone says ‘go frost,’ so that’s mostly what you see (sheeple). The best spec is the one you have the most fun with. I levelled my mage fire all the way. When dungeoning with groups that outgear you and/or the content, your dps will suffer because of the time factor mentioned above. All things equal, fire does very well. The non-fire spells in combo do very well indeed.

The Sources:
MMO Site
MMO Champ
KruXoR

That is the question i am asking myself at the moment. There is also a druid, but ill leave that out for this exciting search.

Heres what Sotanaht thought:

Mage most likely. They already have one of the highest skill caps in PvP. In cata, they are going to have Bloodlust and yet another snare (wall of fog).

Shadow priests have their place, they are probably pretty balanced, but there really isn’t anything special about them in PvP. Disc priests on the other hand…

Edit: AND their new bloodlust comes with a personal move speed boost, useable while sated.

So tipping in the mage scale at the moment. My only issue is that my mage is 42 and my priest is already 80. So do i just level the 5 extra on the priest or go for the extra 43. Hmm Sounds like a lot when you put it that way.

Then there is always the inspirational Shadow Word Dance movie, always made me feel like playing the shadow priest.

Firo Said: Mage. im having so much fun on my mage on PTR it is ridiculous, Where as my pally, who i have had for 5 years, May for the first time be put on the back burner, as i dont like the changes.

Another Mage Vote.

PTR made me nervous about mages, they are ridiculous right now being able to kill some1 in a deep freeze with ice lance and i know that wont last long. Also, i have been leaning towards mage anyways.

lol@priest leveling joke, i can remember trying to level a priest several times before WotLK and it never happened.

To level or priest or mage i just dont know. May as well just level the noob now tho, cos good luck trying to compete with the 100 million people all doing the same quests at the moment.

Woo server just logged on, well im off.